In this episode and in the following episode, Tony Johnson and I will answer the question "How do you care for people during a pandemic?" In addition to membership systems, small groups, and leadership training, Tony helps with the care ministry, which means he helps people access physical and spiritual resources. Sometimes that means just listening to them as they vent to him, other times it means driving them around town to pick up groceries. Today we help Norman, who suffers from severe back pain.